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Postby big.g » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:39 pm

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Postby Shadow Reaper » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:09 pm

On thing about democracy is that there are infact no states that fully practice democracy in the entire world. Democracy implies that every single member of the state has a decision in every matter the state involves itself in.

However, because such a thing is impossible (and infact undesirable. Governments should be able to formulate a response that is approved by the public, that is why we vote for them. We should not have to vote in a referendum every day about pointless matters (i believe Switzerland comes close to this)) there are no fully democratic states in the world.

Israel is more democratic than some though (and not as much as others). As for not letting people in certain regions vote, well its very possible those people in those regions (which will more than likely be Palestinian) will not want to vote for an Israeli government seeing they desire their own within their own nation-state.

[Before someone says im counter-arguing myself here, im not. There are partial democratic states (UK, USA, France etc etc) but no fully democratic states. This is what im saying.]

Plus if you at any point believed at any point democracy really works, well it doesnt. But its the best we've got at the moment. Churchill once said it was the worst form of government than the rest.

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Postby Del » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:57 pm

From what I remember, he didn't say it was the worst form of government but "the best of the worst". As an aside, I've always firmly believed that enlightened despotism is the best form of government attainable by man. (And I don't believe peaceful anarchy will ever be realistic).
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Postby big.g » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:30 pm

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Postby Shadow of Light » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:13 pm

G the problem is mate if you dropped money then the wrong people would get it and do with it what they do now . mainly using it to kill people .....everybody seems fixed on iraq all the while genocide is taking place in sudan and somallia , women and children are being tortured and murdered on an industrial scale ...but because it is being done by so called islamic goverments and groups nobody seems to want to tackle the issue .


G It like this multicultral fasade or illusion for a better word, even a taxi journey through my own fair city Glasgow all I see is island communities , intergration is a myth we have hindu areas, muslim areas , chinese areas etc etc...where is this melting pot they keep talking about ? , even as children. kids are sent to catholic,prodestant hindu,islamic schools they are taught sectairanism right from birth.

And we wonder why 4 british born lads did what they did on 7/7 , british means nothing these days ,these lads where just twisted offspring of a failed romantic notion of multiculturism , which we know certainly does not work in the middle east and I dont think it works here ethier.

G the jihad groups like al queda will never lay down their arms, remember 9/11 happened when america withdrew from the international scene not when it was in iraq, your miles of the mark if you think groups like the taliban want peace. they want do exactly the same as what is going on in darfur they want to ethnicly cleanse anyone from their country that does not adhere to sharia law. if we where not there the killing would still be happening just like it is in sudan, more people have died in sudan in the last year than have died in both gulf wars and afghanistan and 99% of them are civillians.

The U.N is as much to blame for current problem's in the world as much as any one country or group, at it's creation it's designation was to make sure genocide would never happened again, well it's has failed not just once but fives times , it is run by international petty buerocarts, like mr anan ...G check out his back ground and you will find a less than savory gentlemen corrupt as the rest of them.

G blaming America or britain for the worlds woes is slightly missing the point, And I would choose american capitalism anytime over middle eastern fundamentalism.
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Postby big.g » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:53 pm

Sol - firstly I do want to tackle the genocide in Somalia and Sudan, but our government doesnt - now why could that be??? surely on the strength of our "humanitarian crusade" in iraq, we should be doing exactly the same in those countries, yeah??? ahhhh, hang on, theres no oil in those countries, is there??? the reason Im concentrating on iraq at the moment is purely because its OUR countries that are the problem there. we have no right to be there in the first place. we had no reason to go in the first place. how would you feel if Iraqi forces invaded the UK and started blowing up streets/houses/schools etc etc and simply said its because "we want to rid your country of that tyrant Tony Blair." different story altogether if the boot was on the other foot. theres no money in it for us in somalia or sudan (yet) potentially, somalia has oil, although yet untapped so dont be surprised if we seddenly discover that they have WMD's and have to move in at some point soon. another reason im concentrating on Iraq is because its our soldiers that are getting killed there - and for what reason. Im still waiting to hear a valid reason of ANY kind for us being there. yet another UK soldier killed today, and another on his death bed as we speak. and for what???? we invaded their country!!!!!!

youre right about the Island comunities - but again, thats not the peoples fault, thats the governments fault for creating those comunities and for creating segregated schooling - this is exactly my point (partially). the government creates certain areas of the cities and moves ethnic groups into them - thereafter, more people from those countries come here and of course they move to the same comunity. they want to be with people from their own culture - would you not if you moved to another country???? - however, the common thing that we all find is money - there is a balanced multi-culture possible, but only if youre rich. again, a capitalist problem. funny how christians, jews, hindus, muslims, blacks, whites, asians etc etc can all live together in suburbs like newton mearns or bearsden - its because theyre all rich!!!!! money makes them friendly towards each other. again, an imbalanced society based on capitalism and greed - with the irony being that the more money you have, the more youre likely to live hand in hand with other people with more money, regardless of their colour/creed/religion etc etc. this, in turn, creats animosity between the island comunities.

about the "4 british lads" that done the london bombings - I still dont see a single shred of evidence that proves they did it - and your comment about how the bombs ripped up through the trains "the blastwaves rebounded" etc etc - then why was all the charred metal on the underside on not on the topside of the train floors. you say it's not rocket science to work out - youre right - it's right in front of your eyes, and if you can work out and prove how the blastwaves rebounded and charred the underside of the ripped metal, then please do if it's so simple - because the simplest explanation is the one youre denying.

the Jihad groups will lay down their arms if their countries are stopped from being stripped of all assets for money by western capatilist countries - thats what they're fighting for. NONE of their religions call for them to kill people - NONE of them!!!! thats bullshit created by western governments, again, to give us an excuse. they dont want ethnic cleansing - they want clean, running wqater. they want food. they want the same standar of living that we have - and funnilly enough, were the ones stopping them getting it by imposing huge interest rates on loans from the world bank and by invading their countries and selling their assets for OUR profit. again I ask, why the hell are WE selling oil from Iraq??? why not let the iraqis appoint their own leaders and sell it themselves instead of bombing children and appointing our own "president of iraq"??? MONEY!!!!!!! OIL!!!!!!! again I state that the USA uses approx 20,000,000 barrells of oil per day!!! and at maximum capacity can only produce approx 8 million barrels per day (source - OPEQ). there will always be nutters in every country/continent/comunity - but to invade them and randomly bomb them doesnt, and never has, solved the problem. it never will. again, the ONLY way to tackle terrorism is to end global poverty.

you said in a previos post that we dont invade korea or israel because they have nukes - but did GWB not state that they had "conclusive proof that Iraq could hit the USA with WMD within 45 minutes"??? so again, why invade iraq, but not invade korea or Israel for the exact same reason??? oh aye - korea and israel have no oil!!!!!!!!!

again, youre right about the UN - not denying that - in fact, thats another part of my main point so dont really understand what youre trying to say there.

IM also not solely blaming USA and UK for all the worlds problems - but we're creating a hell of a lot of them which we could end if it wasnt for pure greed.
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