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Postby Texas Ranger » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:24 pm

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Postby Sgt.Preacher » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:56 pm

I have to say im honestly convinced it was some goonie US organisation like the CIA or something similar.

Have a look at the impact hole in 1 of the pentagon inner rings. Who smells a missile? Bunker buster missiles apparently work in the same way, explosion on first impact then punching through the concrete followed by another explosion. The pic is at the bottom of post!!

Then we have this analysis which I think is worth the watch, believer or non believe, some of you have prolly saw it before.



I also read somewhere of the other plane that went down where the passengers attacked the hiijackers which brought the plane down earlier, but some parts of wreckage where over 5km from the ground impact point which many people believe is almost impossible for a planes wheel to do that unless it exploded in mid air - abit later on from that the write up describes how 'eye witnesses' say they saw what looked like a USAF fighter jet fly past before the plane went down. (After reading another document, I think the supposed pilot was elseware in the country at the time - something about the only military planes in the sky close enough - I've forgotten what the outcome was trying to disprove the fighter shotdown the passenger jet)

As for the twin towers, millions of people saw jets hit them, no doubt, but many believe explosives where planted inside the structural points etc etc
Before you go off on how the planes fuel burns so hot to seriously weaken steel etc etc I saw that documentary aswell.

One question I've never been able to find an answer to and I have'nt heard anyone else ask yet. Would the planes fuel not have been burned up pretty quickly because of the combustion temperature and ferocity, much more combustible than normal petrol because of the higher Oxygen mix, so I don't personally see how it those floors burned for 15-20mins at 5000 degC or causing the weakening of the support beams, surely all that would have been burning minutes after the collision would have just been the office equipement which burns nowhere near 500degC
** Like I say, I'm no scientist so there is prolly a good explination but ah well, I live in my bubble.

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Puff where to start lets first get a few things straight.

Postby Shadow of Light » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:15 pm

Osama’s bombing campaign against the U.S.A begun 4 years before 9/11 , The facts are there which no one denies , It begun when Osama tried to get backing from the States to start a Taliban style offensive in Chechnya, which he thought his CIA buddies would be happy to fund so without checking he got the ball rolling telling many affiliated groups from Pakistan through to Palestine about the new jihad that was about to take place in Chechnya only when he went to the C.I.A to get his usually shipment of anti tank weapons and stinger missiles was he told the sweetie shop was CLOSED as the cold war was over and the ruskies where the good guys now.

Osama chucked a mental as he had been boasting about his connections, Osama is rich and these groups don’t need funding they get tons from all over the world ….what they need is top rate modern military hardware and uncle sam is the man when it comes to that, but you have not only to be his friend but suit his purposes where as we in Europe don’t give a toss and will sell to anyone no questions asked pity our weapons like the blow pipe and dart don’t actually work , so Osama was up shit creek looking like a right tit setting up a war with no hardware.

For several months he did his threats and counter threats and tried to get the CIA round the table they said “we are out to lunch” Osama got a bit scared and grovelled a bit this did not work either, then he snapped so he bombed a U.S Naval vessel in Oman then a few U.S Embassies in central Africa thinking this would force the Americans into having a wee chat with him, well it did but not in the way he thought he wanted to speak to C.I.A agent’s but instead they sent a couple of large 1000lb type agents this pissed Osama off no end as his Cliff Richard collection got toasted .


The C.I.A is good at spying on big nation’s and extremely poor when it comes to the local chavs or neds like Osama, they wanted Osama underground and I don’t mean in a cave, twice they cancelled raids which would have almost certainly killed Osama but it would have wiped out the odd village to so they eventually lost him in Afghanistan, they knew he was up to no good , And Osama was up to no good his first plan was to blow up 44 planes on the runways in 6 different countries all American Airlines planes , this plot the British and French secret services thwarted.

Bush was a disaster for Osama, he could not spell Iraq never mind invade it. The bush administration withdrew from most if not all foreign policy that the democrats had built, the American public did not pay much attention to the outside world and the bush administration was all about withdrawal from the international scene and focus on insular policies and use the money gained from it’s negative world role at home, plain and simple right wing economics.

Osama was also fading as a star in the jihad movement his refusal to directly target Israel though a smart move if one likes to remain breathing , was starting to effect his standing, he had to find a new enemy bigger than Israel and one the would not slit his throat while he slept in his bed , so he planned his next big thing this time he had a new idea why not instead of just hijacking and blowing things up he could send his own missiles the C.I.A way, he knew if it was successful there would be hell to pay in the upper halls of the C.I.A and they would get as much blame as he would just for not stopping it as well as giving him boasting rights at the next Jihad convention .

That’s why sept 11th happened it was all about EGO’S and politics, little boys in the playground, the links the bin ladens have to the bushes can be made for a million less than savoury chaps who have links to a million different politicians ….so what is new the world has always been like that and always will, it is the human condition.

The nonsense about the actual event is just like the JFK nonsense, pure imagination we would rather have the conspiracy line than face the reality that we are at war and are targets just like the soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan, it comforts us to think that 4 groups of men could not quietly boards 4 planes and turn them into flying weapons causing death and chaos and create events which would spiral out of control and lead to a place bin laden or the bush administration ever thought or wanted to be.

The Invasion of Afghanistan was about revenge but it was to easy and ended to soon without any real closure this in part drove Iraq policy , The Invasion of Iraq was not about oil or money or common sense it was about the rattling of sabres and a Statement that America will except causalities on both sides and that it will not stop just because it is in battle elsewhere and it will if necessary go it alone , and to an extent it has worked Egypt ,Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait and others have held pretty much silent even when prodded politically by The bush Administration they rarely comment with any significance even during the darkest times over the last 5 years .

And one last note on Osama don’t swallow the media’s horse shit about Osama’s popularity among the jihad movement or foreign government fronted groups he may be on the t shirts of youths in the Gaza strip but in the places where power dwells within the jihad movement he is a pariah and a problem they cant kill him because the people love him but they cant live with the problems that his continued existence brings.
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Now here is how the towers collapsed

Postby Shadow of Light » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:59 pm

1.The first plane hits the first tower at that moment the tower is doomed , the designers of the Towers had tested the building against and impact of a 747 hitting the building at low level speeds , what they had not accounted for was full fuel tanks or the full speed impacts , when the plane hit like all of the planes that day the resulting impact and explosion from the fuel created massive blast waves that destroyed most of the planes and a small point about explosion blast waves they travel faster than the flames do this means even objects like paper and human flesh can be blown clear even in the most spectacular bangs, this also in the tower impacts removed the fire coating on floor support trusses in about 6 floors in each building couple that with the fact that the floor trusses also take most of their support from the outside skin of the building which in turn takes it strength from the floors .

2.It didn’t take a raging inferno most of the fuel went in the initial impact but it only takes 1 floor to collapse in each building and they are doomed, and this is what happened in both cases first one floor goes BANG then slowly the next BANG then the next a bit quicker BANG then at a steady rhythm BANG , BANG ,BANG all the while the outside shell still stands but at about 7th or 8th floor collapse the outside shell now falls slightly in and straight down into the whole left by the floors.

3.The whole in the pentagon is the exact match for the fuselage size of a 757 , 210 eye witnesses have given accounts to local law enforcement and the FBI all stating they saw a large commercial aircraft hit the pentagon, and hitting a nuclear resilient designed building at full speed with a belly full of fuel in it,it is no surprise that the plane was turned into a shower half vaporised junk travelling at an angry 600mph plus .

4.The plane that never made it tripe and any crap about plane switches is pure vileness at best, people died on that plane and on the other 3 planes each had families ,Each will unfortunately have not only have to endure the war on terror legacy but lunatic fringe that wont let their loved ones rest.
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