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your opinion on 9/11

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Post by big.g » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:07 pm

howdo Boab - nice to see ya getting in on this. :D:D:D

on your long post about Osama - I agree - he's a nutjob. egotistical moron. i do think he had a part in it - i just happen to think he was helped by "insiders" who allowed him "sacrafice" some of his followers for money. again i state that the OFFICIAL 9/11 COMISSION REPORT says about the $100,000.00 that was wired from annon source to mohammed atta weeks before the 9/11 attacks states "THE SOURCE OF THIS FUNDING IS OF LITTLE OR NO CONSEQUENCE"!!!!!!! are you beleiving this shit???? the funders of the attack are not important??? lmao. surely youve got to admit somethings not right there??? surely the source of the funding for the operation is of PARAMOUNT importance???? so youve then got to ask WHY they stated that the source of the funding is of no consequence???? I don't know the answer - but that stinks big time wouldn't you agree. I aint making this up - it's in the 9/11 comission report for all to see.

your next 2 posts about the planes hitting the towers: - firstly, it was the official, bush administration release that stated that the strength of the towers came from it's shells. now I ask you to look for yourself at the construction pictures of the towers. the strength came from the inner core made from re-inforced steel and steel-re-inforced concrete. they DID use the "truss" system as you state and of course they could have been bent and collapsed but the core of the building should have stood firm, nomatter what happened to the outer shell. again I ask you to look it up - not the "official" story but look at what the architects of fthe buildings say about how it was built. they quite clearly state that ONLY high powered thermite could have destroyed the inner core. if it was simply the trusses collapsing then there should have been a column of steel still standing 110 storeys high with rubble piles all around it. I seen that documentary about the trusses up at your house one night with billy giving it "never trust a truss" etc etc so I know what youre going on about. I beleived it at the time. also, whether the fireproofing was blasted off or not shouldnt have mattered. aviation fuel, even at it's hottest temperature in optimum conditions can reach a max temp of less than 1/2 of what it takes to weaken the lowest grade steel compound. with re-inforced steel, it's likely to have been less than a quarter of the temperature needed to weaken the steel. as you stated most of the aviation fuel was blasted out the way - so that only leaves office furniture, carpets, chairs, desks, pc's etc etc to burn. do you honestly think they can burn hot enough to melt, or even weaken steel??? check your physics - lol. on the point of the paper being blasted out - fair enough, i can see your point. gotta ask tho - is it not a bit strange that the ONLY piece of paper to survive at g-zero was the passport of a terrorist. no office furniture, no pc's, no other forms of documentation and not even the TITANIUM cased black boxes (according to the bush administration) survived, but we're meant to beleive that one passport survived and it just so happened to be the passport of the terrorist??? lmfao. also, how come the FDNY clearly state that they recovered 3 of the black boxes, but the government have denied this???? also, when the buildings came down, why was it nobody was allowed onto the site. even F.E.M.A. weren't allowed to get on site to investigate the rubble. the ONLY people allowed on site were the staff of "Controlled Demolition Co." and guess who their chief exec is - Marvin Bush - the same guy who ran security for the 3 buildings that collapsed and funnilly enough, the wee brother of pres bush. again - thats fact. check it out for yourself. ALSO - why was the steel taken away and melted down in india immediately, by order of mayor giulianni, before anyone was allowed to test the steel. even if there was no suspicion of an inside job - the standard proceedure is to take the steel for testing to try to assertain where and how it weakened. it's against federal law to remove anything from a crime scene. again, I dont know the answer, but it's a bit bloody strange innit????

your point 3 - why dont they resease the videos?????? simple as that.

point four - Im not trying to belittle anyones grief here but the facts are: the coroner called said that there was not one single body piece. not one. not an ear, not a finger, no bones. this is the official coroner at the event stating this, not some "lunatic fringe" as you state. so what ya think??? the ONLY plane crash in history with supposed passengers where not a single body part has been found?? again, bit strange innit considering jet fighters have crashed at mach2 straight into the ground and theyve recovered the body, but on this occasion, the bodies all simply vanished??? again, are we really meant to beleive this. on that point, an air traffic controller for the FAA clearly states that flight US93 has landed at his airport (forget which airport - ill check and get back to you) and clearly states that it's impossible for the crash site to be flight 93. he confirmed the plane AND it's registration number over radio - again, the audio tapes are there to listen to. there is a chance that the guy could have made a mistake of course.

anyhoo - nice to see yer still alive etc etc - lol. hows trix apart from this????

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Post by Shadow of Light » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:22 pm

I ,am no 3 bad at all G how is yerself.

But get back tae this .

The point you miss about the building collapse is if the floors had collapsed from the very top floor yes the cores would have survived, but as the floor collapsed from mid tower this caused a problem the section above the collapse, was in one whole section this weight on the outer skin section which had been damaged by the impact and where now not harnessed by the floors which had collapsed this event took 10 or 13 seconds the outer skin at the impacts zones gave way under the stress the then whole sections above the floor collapse then twisted and fell straight down crushing the core of the building to smouldering wreckage .

Extreme temperatures recorded in the wreckage is not unusual in localised hotspots when so much material falls from such a great height and fires are sucked through tight spaces in the wreckage creating a furnace effect as cold air is sucked in from the sides, but the trade centres had an unforeseen problem after collapse they have large sections underground that connect to elsewhere this caused the fires in the wreckage to be driven to industrial furnace levels the unusual high temperature damage in the collapse Twin Towers is explainable just like everything else about the whole day .

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Post by big.g » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:29 pm

have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3Eia4jPCM

do you not think thats a wee tad suss???? watch the explosions rippling through the corners.

is it not also a bit suss that WTC7 was not mentioned atall in the 9/11 comission report apart from ONE SOLITARY FOOTNOTE.

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Post by Shadow of Light » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:41 pm

It has already been explained watch the building twist slightly just before the puffs, this time the shell seperates from the floors causing section of the supporting to be crushed under the pressure to dust mixed with the smoke traveling through the skin , if you watch the twin towers collapse you will see simillar so called explosions which are in fact floor collapses the exact same principal where sections of the inner building become seperated from the outer skin at high speed & crtical stresses.

The thing is these are the first massive building to collapse rather be demolished so like most humans we try to make sence of things by taking them for what we think they are rather what actualy they are .

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Post by big.g » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:43 pm

Shadow of Light wrote:I ,am no 3 bad at all G how is yerself.

But get back tae this .

The point you miss about the building collapse is if the floors had collapsed from the very top floor yes the cores would have survived, but as the floor collapsed from mid tower this caused a problem the section above the collapse, was in one whole section this weight on the outer skin section which had been damaged by the impact and where now not harnessed by the floors which had collapsed this event took 10 or 13 seconds the outer skin at the impacts zones gave way under the stress the then whole sections above the floor collapse then twisted and fell straight down crushing the core of the building to smouldering wreckage .

Extreme temperatures recorded in the wreckage is not unusual in localised hotspots when so much material falls from such a great height and fires are sucked through tight spaces in the wreckage creating a furnace effect as cold air is sucked in from the sides, but the trade centres had an unforeseen problem after collapse they have large sections underground that connect to elsewhere this caused the fires in the wreckage to be driven to industrial furnace levels the unusual high temperature damage in the collapse Twin Towers is explainable just like everything else about the whole day .
if everything else of that day can be explained then please explain how the FDNY found 3 of the four black boxes, but the government state that NONE were found???

explain how the pentagon plane was disintegrated but they managed to identify all but 8 of the deceased bodies.

explain why they simply dont show the surveylance cameras of the plane hitting the pentagon that they claim to have.

explain how - if they identified all but 8 of the bodies from the pentagon - they couldnt find one solitary body piece of of the flight 93??

explain how wtc7 collapsed?? or caught fire in the first place???

explain what happened to all the gold in the vaults of WTC??

explain why the steel was taken away and melted down???

explain why FEMA, the police, and the fire/rescue werent allowed to get into g-zero until all the steel had been removed but Controlled Demolition Co were allowed to???

explain why it took over 90 mins to get a jet fighter into the sky (over washingtom and new york!!!!! cummon tae phuq)???

explain why the jet fighters that took to the air eventually were phuqin UN-ARMED???


the list goes on and on. again, I havent got all the answers. whats for sure tho - is that the official comission report is total bullshit. all i'm asking is to look at the possibilities and stop beleiving government bulls**t without question.
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Post by Shadow of Light » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:06 am

flight 93 hit the ground inverted at nearly 700mph full of fuel the energies involved are nasty most if not everything would have been vapourised by the impact

Wtc7 generator rooms where they had the problem and damaged from underneath during both impacts on the towers causing damage to load bearing sections of the internal core.

The fighters come on g it is easy for us post 9/11 to talk about shooting planes down , but up until that day no air force in the world bar one have the balls to shoot down a passanger aircraft.

That whole day is about one thing confusion nobody knew what was the feck was going on just like when kennedy got shot and confusion is the birth place of conspriacy we now know oswald and oswald alone shot kennedy , and most of the lies and twisted facts have not infact come from the goverment but from the conspricay brigade .

look at hurricane katrina and the fiasco that was, but was it a conspriacy the same goverment that conspriacy theorists would have you belive contrived 9/11 for it's own purposes ...bullshit the bush administration is laughable and in no way capable of thinking that far ahead look at iraq ...where is the big plan...you know where it is ...nowhere becuase it does not exsist ..well it might but only on the internet.

Your honour the denfence rests and asks this trial be dissmissed as my client is clearly incapable of this crime the fact he remembers to breathe or cloth himself should be deemed as a miracle of modern living ..geogre is innocent of all charges .

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Post by big.g » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:22 am

Shadow of Light wrote:flight 93 hit the ground inverted at nearly 700mph full of fuel the energies involved are nasty most if not everything would have been vapourised by the impact

Wtc7 generator rooms where they problem and damaged from underneath during both impacts on the towers causing damage to load bearing sections of the internal core.

The fighters come on g it is easy for us post 9/11 to talk about shooting planes down , but up until that day no air force in the world bar one have the balls to shoot down a passanger aircraft.

That whole day is about one thing confusion nobody knew what was the feck was going on just like when kennedy got shot and confusion is the birth place of conspriacy we now know oswald and oswald alone shot kennedy , and most of the lies and twisted facts have not infact come from the goverment but from the conspricay brigade .

look at hurricane katrina and the fiasco that was, but was it a conspriacy the same goverment that conspriacy theorists would have you belive contrived 9/11 for it's own purposes ...bullshit the bush administration is laughable and in no way capble of thinking that far ahead look at iraq ...where is the big plan...you where nowhere becuase it does not exsist ..wll it might but only on the internet.

Your honour the denfence rests and asks this trial be dissmissed as my client is clearly incapable of this crime the fact he remembers to breathe or cloth himself should be deemed as a miracle of modern living ..geogre is innocent of all charges .

lol - cummon boab. other planes have hit the ground at faster speeds and theres ALWAYS been identifiable body parts - FACT - that plane is the only plane in HISTORY to have hit the ground and not a body found. not even a single body piece that would have been thrown from the wreckage - FACT. your arguement here holds no water whatsoever - coupled with the arguement that if they were vapourised - how come they managed to identify all but 8 of the bodies from the pentagon crash which, as you say, hit a building that was far touogher than earth and soil??? your honour - strike the last statement from the accused as scientifically implausable.

the generators - okay - if the fireball had rippled down and the shaking/movement had caused damage underneath - how come the firemen were able to reach over forty floors on both towers in WORKING ELEVATORS that suffered no damage???? again m'laud - the accused is on drugs it seems. :D:D:D

jet fighters - why was that the ONLY day in NORAD's history that NORAD had stood down????? washington DC - the capital of the free world - youre trying to tell me that when they knew there was an attack going on that they were simply undecided as to whether to send up the jet fighters??? however - if a scheduled flight goes off course the standard proceedure is to scramble fighters as an escort within a 2 minute time period of finding out it's off course. even if there's no hijacking involved??? NORAD scrambled over 130 situations with fully armed jet fighters in the 12 months leading up to 11/09/01 for flights that were simply off course. even if they have no intention of shooting it down - its STANDARD PROCEEDURE for them to scramble "escorts" just in case of an emergency. admittedly, they may have not fully understood the situation until the first plane hit - but cummon tae phuq. over manhattan - over washington - over the pentagon (reputedly the most heavily guarded airspace in the world)??? thats simply laughable. again m'laud - it's not just drugs, but some seriously strong mushies it appears - lol.

and dont get me started on Oswald/kennedy or katrina!!!!!!!
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Post by big.g » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:27 am

ps - dont be fooled into thinking bush is a simpleton - hes a bloody good actor, but deffinately not simple or incapable. he's got a Harvard Law Degree ffs!!!!!!!! he aint the puppet master, but he certainly aint the puppet either.
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Post by Shadow of Light » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:29 am

G one thing proves Bush knew nothing , becuase if he did he would have not shat a brick and told themto hold his calls as he ran for the hills and hid for the best part of 9/11 if they knew about they would not have caused the fiasco at the buildings around washington retrieving cabinet members.

HE would have went striaght to new york and played the sympathetic leader rather than the just plain pathetic which he did.

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Post by big.g » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:36 am

Shadow of Light wrote:G one thing proves Bush knew nothing , becuase if he did he would have not shat a brick and told themto hold his calls as he ran for the hills and hid for the best part of 9/11 if they knew about they would not have caused the fiasco at the buildings around washington retrieving cabinet members.

HE would have went striaght to new york and played the sympathetic leader rather than the just plain pathetic which he did.
have you seen the video of him in the classroom when it happened.???? lol. the first crash happened before he entered the classroom - he knew about it and went to the class anyway - fair enough - he could have thought it was an accident - but when he was informed "sir - a second plane has crashed into the WTC - America is under attack" he sat there for another SEVEN MINUTES!!!!!!! roflmfao!!!!! surely, if america was under attack and it was well documented that he would be in that school at that time - he would have shat himself immediately thinking that HE was a prime target. why did his security advisors allow him to sit there for 7 minutes???? the ONLY plausable reason for him sitting there for that length of time was that he KNEW that HE was safe. unless, of course, you can offer another explanation. count up 7 minutes in your head - it's a c**t of a long time to sit there doing nothing, ESPECIALLY if he knew he was under threat. he was very, very calm, dont ya think???

ALSO - on august 6th, 2001, Bush was given an Official Presidential Breifing by the national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice - headed "Bin Laden Determined To Strike Within America" - according to the 9/11 comission. that was less than a month before 9/11 he was given that briefing - it's well documented. If thats the case, and within a month of it he's told that "America is under attack" - he'd have shat himself there and then thinking that the next plane was aimed at him directly. he'd have ran out of that building at lightening speed not giving a phuq about kids stories. I know I would have. so why did he sit there for so long. ??

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