How can I tell if my AGP slot is 1.0 or 2.0 ?

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Post by Pos_21 » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:12 am

those min sys requirements are bogus. straight from the box of my GF4 Ti 4200 (a.k.a. better & newer than that GF3):
Minimum System Requirements

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Intel Pentium® II, AMD K6-2® class processor or higher<LI>AGP 2.0 or higher expantion port<LI>64MB system RAM<LI> (skipping some obvious stuff here like CD rom, HD space, OS, ect]<LI>350 watt power supply
so, if your system has a PII and 64 megs o' ram, your card should work. and, BTW, why are ya buying from one of those uber discout places, anyway? i got a GF4 for $150, and saw significantly cheaper cards, from nVidia and Radion at Best Buy & Circut City. your probably better off going there, so if it don't work, which it should, you can atleast return it.

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Post by Captain Pierce » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:42 am

OK, a couple of things...

1) AGP cards are typically backwards compatible. So, the newer cards will often work in older slots, except where there are physical differences--but IIRC the only AGP slot that was different in hardware configuration was the short-lived AGP pro. I have an AGP 8x card working just fine in a 4X slot, for example...

2) Power supply requirements for video cards are, to put it in the current hip lingo, whack. To put in more plain english, they're general recommendations that are going to vary WILDLY depending on your system. For example, I had to upgrade from a 340W power supply to a 480W to run my GF4 Ti4200 because my motherboard is a bit unusual... Image It all depends on how much hardware you're trying to run... a 300W power supply with multiple HD's, CD-RW, DVD-ROM, or whatever may not have enough juice to go around when you drop new video card; while a 250W with only one HD and a CD-ROM may be fine with a higher-end video card.

3) Even if your P3 PC100/133 mobo lets you drop in a GF4, you're not necessarily going to get a lot of use out of it. Another example from my experience: my previous system was a P3-800EB (133mhz FSB) with a GeForce 2 Ultra 64MB. It never quite lived up to my expectations of what a GF2U was supposed to be, so after a year I ditched that mobo, processor, and RAM in favor of an Athlon 1.4 (266 FSB), new mobo (the aforementioned unusual one), and RAM. With the exact same video card, the 3D Mark score was HUGELY bigger, more than could be explained by just the processor and FSB speed increase.

What this boils down to is: can you drop a GF2/3/4 into your current system? Probably. Will it help? Quite possibly not.

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Post by FlashFire » Tue Jan 21, 2003 12:34 pm

1) AGP cards are typically backwards compatible. So, the newer cards will often work in older slots, except where there are physical differences--but IIRC the only AGP slot that was different in hardware configuration was the short-lived AGP pro. I have an AGP 8x card working just fine in a 4X slot, for example...

AGP 4x cards use 1.5v signalling, AGP2x cards use 3.3v signalling, and the slots are 'keyed' differently to avoid fried cards.

[This message has been edited by FlashFire (edited 21 January 2003).]

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Post by Russki Bear » Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:48 am

I have a 250W power supply,

Athlon XP 1800+
MSI MS-6380E (KT333)
GF3 Ti200
40X32X10 CD-RW

No worries whatsoever! As it was said, it all depends on your system.

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Post by Elite » Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:42 am

You don't have to use a 350watt supply, but when you go out and leave the pc on don't be surprise when you come home and your house is surrounded by fire trucks.

Best advice would be to call the manufacturer of the board and hopefully one of the dummies there will pick up.. if you get that far they might know something about what they are selling but most of the time this isn't the case.. pray you don't ask the question and get the "Uh, one second i'll be right back with an answer", 5 minutes later he returns and ask you the same question again.

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Post by Uraniun235 » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:20 am

A quality 300w supply is quite sufficient for most systems, unless you're running like 8 IDE devices or that monster they call the Geforce FX.

Quality being the key and crucial word... I'd take a good 300w over a supergeneric 400w supply any day.

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Post by JC Denton » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:12 am

Thanks guys. The issue has pretty much been resolved, I found out how to tell from , and confirmed it with some software utilities. I figure I'm going to get a GF4 MX 440, since I'm still concerned about the power supply issues with the GF3 Ti200, and I don't meet the recommended requirements anyways, although I meet the minimum requirements. BTW, does anyone happen to have the recomended requirements for the GF4 MX 440 if they exist? All I can find are the minumum requirements, which are quite low. It's not that much of an important factor, but if someone has the hardware box and could check read it or something, that would be helpful. Well, thanks.

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Post by nickersonm » Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:19 am

Don't get a GF4 MX - they're no better than GF2 MX's, just a little faster. They don't have any of the nifty new features of the GF3 and GF4.

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Post by Elite » Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:18 am

Wow don't be ever ever ever so concerned that it would make you buy any MX card.. horrible line of cards.

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