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Post by Pierce 2: The Sequel » Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:49 am

Some of you may know that the next two episodes of Enterprise (after tonite's rather useless Orion episode) are going to take place in the so-called Mirror Universe, where the counterparts of the NX-01's crew will find the abandoned USS Defiant, the Constitution-class starship lost in the "real" Trek universe during the TOS Episode "Tholian Web." Well, we now have our first look at this new model of the Constitution-class:

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Post by Meurig » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:24 pm

I know someone who modelled parts of it. They said that the model is built to an extremely high level of detail so that the camera can get right up to the hull and the ship will still render alright, so expect shots skimming the hull in the episodes.

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Post by Charvell » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:06 pm

Post some links. I'd like to see where they lead. Thanks.

The movie refit was so detailed that the camera could actually get as close as 1/8th of an inch from the hull without any ill effects. It's suposed to be the most detailed model ever built and I don't think it has yet been topped.

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Post by Meurig » Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:41 pm

That was a physical model though, this isn't. It's unusual to have CG models to the detail level where getting so close is possible.

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Post by Pierce 2: The Sequel » Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:08 pm

The fact that TMP's script called for people to be walking on the hull of the ship probably affected the decision on how much to detail it... ;)

The other thing to remember is that the TMP model was an ungainly huge thing, well larger than most SFX models. I'm sure the newer, smaller, model they built for TWOK wasn't nearly as detailed...

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Post by Manticore » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:20 am

They built a new model for TWOK? I know that they repainted the old one, but given how much of a tight budget they were on, why would they build a new one?

To be honest, I'm not all that impressed with that render, but we'll see...

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Post by Pierce 2: The Sequel » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:10 am

So the ship could actually be seen maneuvering... the TMP model was just too large to deal with.

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Post by TheStressPuppy » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:59 am

The same 8ft physical model was used from ST:TMP up until TSFS. It was repainted twice. 1st for TWOK, then for TSFS, then they got rid of it. They built a smaller 6ft model of the 1701-a for ST:IV-VI (ST:V touched up, and re-used stock footage of the other movies for its scenes)

The TOS connie model mostly used for filming was an 11 foot model. However you need to understand filming techniques in the 60's were "primative" compared to late 70's to todays standards. Thats why the 11 footer looks so bad in the show.

Im kinda glad they stuck with the "classic" look for this ship. Tho she may look plain from a distance whos to say we cant see details up close.

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Post by Manticore » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:55 am

Y'know, one of the members of the forum I help moderate, the SCN, actually said, and I quote:
Ofcourse, I don't think they had the guts to put anykind of plating on it, so the bad lighting setup is made even worse. Great...
It's basically a plastic-y model inserted into a CG scene, it looks as if they didn't have the balls to give it some specularity like metal plating or sheathing should have. Let's just think really hard and maybe I'll be wrong.
Wouldn't that kinda defeat the purpose then?

I don't know about you, but I kinda like the smoothness of the TOS Enterprise. It actually looks more advanced than the aztecing/hullplating, like it was molded or something.

BTW, I didn't know that about making a new model of the Enterprise for V and VI. Kinda sad, because the original movie model was a cinematic masterpiece, IMNSHO.

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Post by TheStressPuppy » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:47 am

Matt jefferies, and Genes plan for TOS was to have a ship where no external maintanace was ever required. Therefore no external parts, tubing, greebles, yada yada. It was all inside the ship, and accessed via the "jefferies" tubes. So detailing on the outside of the ship other than markings, and external access hatches really wasn't necessary. When you think about it that does make her much more advanced than the NX. The NX has alot of external components that can only be accessed via EVA suits, and workbees.

The TMP connie was truly a masterpiece. She also retained the concept of all internal components. The "Aztecing" was created by using flat and gloss painting in alternating patterns. The idea came from the space shuttle cause of its heat absorbing tiles. I can see if they wanted to put a faint aztec on the TOS ship. IMO it wouldn't have hurt anything cause it would have remained consistant with the rest of the trek eras.

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